TikTok is for kids! That’s what I thought. Honestly, I wasn’t even open to the discussion until Victoria Jameson wormed her way into my world.
Join us as I learn
-what is TikTok really about
-how could it help my audience?
-and how it can leverage your other platforms?
A professional model and dancer by trade, Victoria thought entertainment was the only career she would find success in. She struggled with major depression and bulimia as a dancer throughout college which took a toll on her health and ability to perform. During this time in her life, she began competing in pageants which helped Victoria to embrace her struggles in hopes of inspiring others to do the same.
In 2015, Victoria set out on an accidental adventure and (eventually) found major success in the cosmetic and skincare industry with a top-rated social sharing company. When she started her business, she felt lost, overwhelmed, and full of self-doubt. It wasn’t until she took on a ‘why not me?’ attitude that she began quickly moving towards success.
Since then, she has grown her organization to over 700 women, trained on the corporate level as a featured speaker, earned five free trips and a free car, and helped her team accomplish over 3 million dollars in sales. Not only is she a top team leader, but she’s also a top producer with over $100,000 in personal sales.
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Kris Ward: [00:00:10] Hey, everyone. Welcome to win the hour. Win the day on your host, Chris ward. And today I am even more excited than usual cause we’ve got a really fascinating guest on, okay. Victoria and Jameson craft is a digital marketing entrepreneur. That’s going to really change how we see not just the world, but especially hold on.
[00:00:33] Tick tock. Yes. Now before you are like me and you say, and he ticked off what, that’s not for me, my audience is not there. That’s okay. Exactly what I said. And Victoria wormed your way in with all this valuable information I was totally unaware of. So hold on before you tune out, because I think this is really going to change things for you, Victoria.
[00:00:54] Welcome to the show.
[00:00:55] Victoria Jameson: [00:00:55] Thanks for having me.
[00:00:57] Kris Ward: [00:00:57] Okay, tick talk, what’s up with tick talk. Now I understand this is what I understand. And you can start shooting down my misinformation real quick. I understand that tick talks like, I don’t know what six months, 12 months old. And since I’m not, you know, into singing and dancing for a living, it’s not my, my, my talent.
[00:01:16] How am I going to create any kind of messaging on tick tock?
[00:01:20] Victoria Jameson: [00:01:20] What’s that about? Yeah. So common misconception. I see a lot with the app. It’s actually about. For almost five years old now it’s been around since 2015. It started out as musically, before it was bought out by byte dance, which also has a sister company that looks very much the same in China, which is a whole issue right now.
[00:01:40] We won’t go into that. I have a whole podcast episode on that. Um, if people are interested in learning about the safety, but Tikok is a lot of people think, Oh, it’s just kids. It’s just teenagers dancing. But in reality, there is so much potential to grow your influence, to grow your email list. To grow your leads and to of course, make income from this app as any industry, not just teenagers, looking cute and fashion Nova.
[00:02:04] Kris Ward: [00:02:04] Okay. So we were talking and when you were swaying, my understanding of TikTok, you explained that there’s this whole component coming out about education. So it’s not about the youth at all.
[00:02:16] Victoria Jameson: [00:02:16] Can you
[00:02:16] Kris Ward: [00:02:16] open, open our eyes about that?
[00:02:18] Victoria Jameson: [00:02:18] Yeah. So when tic talk was rebranded from musically in 2018 at my husband and I, since we’ve been on the app so long, saw a big.
[00:02:26] Push in more, not adult content. Cause I feel like that has a weird connotation non youth content, not children’s centered. Um, so the
[00:02:37] Kris Ward: [00:02:37] dancing didn’t take a sharp turn with the adult content. I’ll talk to you about that. Okay. It’s funny
[00:02:42] Victoria Jameson: [00:02:42] because dancing didn’t become a big, big trend on tech. Talk until this.
[00:02:46] Fall too. Like that was kind of a newer development. Anyway, I digress basically TikTok, you know, is pushing for education because I think on the internet, we kind of have gotten social, social media to out to where it’s so much about like, Influencer lifestyle and being sold things and comparing ourselves to other people.
[00:03:06] And I think now people want more meat from social media. They don’t just want to see a pretty picture. They want to learn something they want to come away better. So tech talk is kind of jumping on that proactively.
[00:03:18] Kris Ward: [00:03:18] And that’s interesting because there has been a shift with program where it’s like, okay, it’s no longer about being so perfect glossy and yeah.
[00:03:25] You know, when I hear tick talk, another thing I think, I think in my head is, Oh dear heavens. Like I need to learn another platform. Thank you so much. I haven’t mastered the others. You know, we’re still trying to figure that out. So tell me more about this. The education part of tic talk and, and, and I guess it’s kind of new.
[00:03:41] So I guess for us and our listeners, the great thing would be, we wouldn’t be at the tail end of trying to catch up where we, you know, your ride, like on vacation. Everyone tells you what the weather was like last week. Oh, you should’ve been here. Oh, if you’d only been here two years earlier. Oh my God. You know, we did this big thing on tick talk.
[00:03:56] So tell me why. This would work for us. And why now is the time
[00:04:00] Victoria Jameson: [00:04:00] cool thing about Tech-Talk is that there’s still so much potential on this app. I mean, I’m of course kicking myself because four years ago I could have been, you know, the next Charlie’s Emilio. Cause I could have actually put effort into the app for four years, but I didn’t and that’s okay.
[00:04:14] You know, the first. What do they say the best time to start is two weeks ago, but the next best time is now. So you guys have an opportunity now to get started in that, I think the big thing with getting started in education and creating that valuable content is you just have to do it. And that doesn’t always look pretty at first, but the thing is that there is so much potential to still grow a following.
[00:04:35] I mean, for me, I’ve grown to almost a 750,000 followers in just six days, so, okay. Hold on. Hold on.
[00:04:43] Kris Ward: [00:04:43] So, okay. That’s big numbers. Let’s just, everyone’s 750,000 followers.
[00:04:48] Victoria Jameson: [00:04:48] Yeah. And then that’s grown my influence on Instagram and YouTube as well. So it trickles over
[00:04:54] Kris Ward: [00:04:54] cause now they know.
[00:04:55] Victoria Jameson: [00:04:55] Yeah.
[00:04:56] Kris Ward: [00:04:56] Oh, okay. So it’s kind of like, you know, I don’t know you go to this.
[00:04:59] Party. And then now everyone, you walk into the next party, people know you from the party before, right? So you’re getting, you’re getting your face out there, even if you’re not creating what you’d say solid leads from tick talk. It’s given it’s
[00:05:11] Victoria Jameson: [00:05:11]It’s advertising. It’s giving it’s funneling my ideal client. Yeah.
[00:05:15] To the platforms where I want them, where I can connect with them even further. A lot of us in the marketing space, refer to TikTok as a discovery app, just because the algorithm is so generous, you get so much organic reach. And that is like where the value really is.
[00:05:29] Kris Ward: [00:05:29] Okay. Okay. Hold on. You’re
[00:05:30] Victoria Jameson: [00:05:30] I’m I’m Oh my gosh.
[00:05:31] I got
[00:05:32] Kris Ward: [00:05:32] 10 questions for you now. Okay. We love the words you’re using organic reach. Okay. So I can use organic reach so that I can be funneling them to other platforms. So if I do that right. In my comments or whatever is that, do I say, Hey, also follow me in Instagram. Is that how you’re
[00:05:46] Victoria Jameson: [00:05:46] funneling them?
[00:05:47] Well, a lot of times people will put in their bio because you do have a native Instagram link and a link in your bio. So that’s a great opportunity to funnel them to an email list or a free resource in the link in your bio. And then of course you already have your Instagram or your YouTube, or both linked in your bio.
[00:06:04] So people are just saying, Hey, more content on Instagram. If you like this, check out my latest YouTube video.
[00:06:10] Kris Ward: [00:06:10] Okay. Okay. Awesome. So, and then, so for me, a big thing, we, we talk about all the time is you really can change your life by starting your team. It’s all about, you know, the entrepreneur is not a solo path.
[00:06:22] You’re not a lone Wolf, so I could be going on and educating people about how to hire people or how to start their team or all this other stuff. It doesn’t have to be highly produced. I don’t have to sing and dance and yeah.
[00:06:33] Victoria Jameson: [00:06:33] So actually the great thing about tech talk is you do see a wide variety of content.
[00:06:39] I mean, there totally are those creators that are repurposing really high quality content from YouTube or Instagram. Those people tend to already be content creators, but the magic of TikTok and the thing that really got me interested in why I actually started my podcast about TikTok talk is because I saw so many creators that were coming from no background in content creation and growing to millions and millions of followers. So I wanted to know why that was and why I started digging in. And you really have that potential to become a content creator.
[00:07:10] Kris Ward: [00:07:10] Okay. So then. What does that look like when you say, okay, if you like more, if you like my videos and you want me more go to insert and go to YouTube.
[00:07:18] So what would be, how would my performance look on it and take talk? You’re saying I don’t have to sing and dance. I could give content. Are they shorter pieces of content? Or how do they differ or do I just repurpose what I’m using? Give me some scoop on.
[00:07:32] Victoria Jameson: [00:07:32] So I find that repurposing content, if it doesn’t look native to the app.
[00:07:37] So for example, if you upload a landscape video, when everything’s in portrait on TikTok, it doesn’t perform as well. That’s not to say that it can’t perform well, but it does not look native to the app. So people tend to just pass it up because it doesn’t seem like something that’s made for them for TikTok.
[00:07:53] With TikTok, shorter is better. I see people out there saying, Oh, you can post up to a minute. I mean, if you want your watch time to exceed the length of your video, that’s the goal. So you don’t want people to get bored and say, okay, well, I’m just going to go to the next video. Cause that hurts your reach.
[00:08:09] So as short as possible, well, you don’t want to end any long pauses. You want to keep it okay. Valuable and just jam pack as much valuable into the shortest amount of time, because you want people to watch it again.
[00:08:20] Kris Ward: [00:08:20] Okay, so shortest amount of time and they give us, did you say a minute? And we don’t want to use that whole minute
[00:08:27] Victoria Jameson: [00:08:27] up to a minute.
[00:08:27] So typically 11 to 15 seconds. I know it sounds scary, but you get these bite size nuggets of information and if you make it too long, you know, I could make a minute long video. But I could also split that minute long video up into four separate videos. And they’re actually going to perform better individually.
[00:08:47] Typically I will say I have some friends that have totally taught their audience to expect long videos for them. I mean, my husband’s a great example. He makes like 50 seconds skits that do really well. But you know, that’s not the same for everyone. Everyone’s audience is kind of trained differently.
[00:09:03] Kris Ward: [00:09:03] Right. So then. Ah, what do I say in like 15 seconds? Although I guess really we shouldn’t be so far because IgG stories does that as well.
[00:09:14] Victoria Jameson: [00:09:14] Yeah, I think of it kind of like IgE stories. So it is a little bit more of a behind the scenes type app for a lot of creators showing kind of like the process and like the realness behind their presence on other platforms too.
[00:09:26] Kris Ward: [00:09:26] Okay. So say for example, I’m talking about team building. So I have a client she’s doing, it’s been working with me a couple of weeks and you sit, Oh my gosh, Chris, I cannot even tell you the last time I had a day off and we just got hired. We have a done for you with our nine air clients in the 90 day cycle program.
[00:09:40] So we ha we found somebody for her, a VA, we hire them, blah, blah, blah. And she came back and said, Oh, I took Sunday and Monday off. I don’t think I’ve taken a day off in six months. So I could just say on tick tock, super. Ah, I don’t know, is this, where do I go with that?
[00:09:58] Victoria Jameson: [00:09:58] So when I’m working with my clients on content ideas for tick tock, tick tock is a discovery platform and it’s actually searchable on Google as well.
[00:10:07] You need to think about what terms people are searching, so, okay. If you’re thinking productivity, you know, what areas of productivity are important in your business right now? What could you share with someone that’s an important tip that kind of changed the game for you? I like to always tell my clients to stay what they’re going to talk about within the first second of the video.
[00:10:28] Because if you just start talking people, aren’t going to know what they’re waiting for. So telling them, Hey, Here’s one way to make sure you get a day off this week or something, you know, that you’re going to, you’re going to tell them what you’re going to tell them, and then you’re going to tell them, and then you’re going to tell them to follow you for more productivity tips or make sure you follow me for tomorrow’s tip.
[00:10:46] But that kind of thing
[00:10:48] Kris Ward: [00:10:48] makes sense. I know that the marketing strategy is my brain knows. Tell them what you’re going to tell them, but I didn’t think I had time to tell them what I was going to tell them when I,
[00:10:55] Victoria Jameson: [00:10:55] you have to make time because you got to have it in there. Yeah.
[00:10:58] Kris Ward: [00:10:58] Right. Okay. Okay. So, uh, now I’m back to saying, okay, here’s one way to guarantee you have a day off.
[00:11:06] You need to have a virtual assistant. Being an entrepreneur is not, is being entrepreneur as a team sport. I mean, that’s not well done, but I could say something like that.
[00:11:16] Victoria Jameson: [00:11:16] Yeah, totally. Okay. I think for me, at least as an entrepreneur, if I saw someone tell me you need to have a virtual assistant, I’ve never had a virtual assistant.
[00:11:24] But so if someone told me that I would be like, wait, what, tell me more. So then you give them a couple little tidbits and say, you know, if you want to learn more about how to hire a virtual assistant, I have a free resource for you or whatever. You can point them to Instagram. You can point them to wherever you can point them just to follow you on your page.
[00:11:40] And since the content is short and typically pretty easy to produce, you can create a lot of it. So you can post one to three times a day sometimes for some people and those numbers just bring people to your page.
[00:11:54] Kris Ward: [00:11:54] Okay. And now is it primarily me doing FaceTime or is this something where I would do.
[00:12:00] Screen capture on my screen and uploaded to show them something. Is that, is that an IgG story thing? Or where do we go with that?
[00:12:06] Victoria Jameson: [00:12:06] You can totally do both. So I learned so many things, so many business tips, so many cool things from TikTok. I mean, there’s people that do even Photoshop and like video editing tutorials.
[00:12:17] I mean, there’s just so much value being put out there. And the app is literally begging people to create educational content. There was a whole tech talk partner program where they were paying creators to put educational content out.
[00:12:29] Kris Ward: [00:12:29] Oh, dear gosh. Okay. I, and I don’t think I’m the only one. I don’t think I’m under a rock.
[00:12:34] I think. Ah, I think it’s so horrible, but we’re also, I like to think I’m all about change, but then at the same time, you’re kind of resistant to change because you want to make sure, like, I don’t have time to do this, so don’t give me something new. So I’m going to throw up my reason why I, without any education, think this is not a good fit for me.
[00:12:51] Right. Okay. So my excuse of they’re too young off done. X. And then my excuses, it’s just goofing around and trying to get people like me done. Now it’s about content. And so really what we want to do is we don’t want to be the last to the game four or five years now, because I didn’t even know what was going on in this song.
[00:13:09] We don’t want to be figuring this out when we have to four years from now. So get in there. And this is the part where we all get annoyed when we get slapped around by Facebook or LinkedIn, when they change the algorithms, because now they’re, you know, they’ve got the party. It’s almost like a, you know, those.
[00:13:25] Nightclubs. Okay. Yeah, we get enough people in the rooms and now we’ve got the ropes. So that’s where we get stuck. Right? So now
[00:13:31] Victoria Jameson: [00:13:31] you’re scared of that already. Like creators I’m seeing that have millions and millions of followers. Their reach is diminished over the last four years. So it is happening, but it’s not too late.
[00:13:43] I think that’s the fear people have is if I start now while it’s too late now, like that’s their excuse now, but it isn’t, I’ve grown my following to 700,000 in the last six months. And in the last month was the last a hundred thousand chunk. I mean, I grew 50,000 followers in one day this month. So it’s totally
[00:14:03] Kris Ward: [00:14:03] dressed.
[00:14:04] Victoria Jameson: [00:14:04] are you dressed? Yeah, it was showing a DIY project. So I have found that TikTok is a great outlet for me to be creative outside of my business. So I get to kind of show my behind the scenes of like, Hey, I want to make a cool plant wall. And I’m going to take you guys on the journey with me and show me, show you the message.
[00:14:22] Steaks. I made a video of me breaking my project, got like 4 million views on it. So that is in itself showing the behind the scenes of my life and bringing people to my page and helping them discover me on other platforms.
[00:14:37] Kris Ward: [00:14:37] Okay. So you put something out there and then it gets. Not, I don’t want to use the word viral cause that’s misused, but whatever it’s all of a sudden it gets extra attention.
[00:14:46] When it gets that extra attention, then people decide, Oh, I saw this, I liked it. I will follow you. Your reach grows. They want more organic stuff. They want education, but they want to see the real you, which is always fascinating to me. I was just meeting with my team yesterday and we’re going over things in Facebook and all, we had a launch this month for the outsourcing playbook for busy entrepreneurs.
[00:15:06] Um, and you can still get on the waiting list will be launched again. Right. But what happened was they showed me on Facebook. My one with the most comments, the most likes was one day I was out on the bike and I said, Hey, here’s where I go to escape. What do you guys do? I’m like, Oh, this human behind the scenes stuff is very exhausting to me.
[00:15:24] Cause I’m all about schedules and producing and I’m like, now I have to produce being.
[00:15:29] Victoria Jameson: [00:15:29] Normally
[00:15:32] Kris Ward: [00:15:32] I’m like, I don’t live that excited. I think of a life people they’re like, Oh, Chris, you got to do more of this. And I said, that’s it. That’s that’s all I have is that bike ride. So we’re back to, if we bring them into our world, it doesn’t matter how boring.
[00:15:45] I think my world is. If we bring them in there. It’s just a better
[00:15:49] Victoria Jameson: [00:15:49] connection. Yeah. And I’m of the mindset that, that we all have like experiences and aspects of our life that we can use to inspire and help other people grow. So even those aspects of my life that I think are super boring, other people find interesting and makes them feel more normal.
[00:16:05] I think. And you know, our lives are also different. What we find boring and. Totally our everyday. I mean, I work from home every day of my life. I find that incredibly boring to most people. I mean, most of them work from home right now, but when people are like, Oh my gosh, so what’s your day look like? Like how do you, how do you manage that?
[00:16:22] I’m like, Oh, well you want to hear more about it. It’s just totally different and foreign to some people. So sharing those boring things is what makes us human.
[00:16:31] Kris Ward: [00:16:31] I guess I just, I’m telling you what the pandemic, all I suffered from was bad hair. That was it. I realized how quiet my life is that it really didn’t have much which impact on me.
[00:16:40] I’m not minimizing what people went through, but I’m just saying, when you’re trying to shoot behind the scenes stuff, you’re going, there’s not much scene here. Okay. So sharing on tic TAC, war tick, tock, tick tock, tick tock sharing works just your personal stuff, giving education. So it’s really kind of, if we put our mindset in the whole Instagram thing, it’s got some elements to Instagram that we’re familiar with.
[00:17:04] Victoria Jameson: [00:17:04] Yes. It’s a little bit different in the aspect of. I think Instagram’s a little bit more showy still. I have some clients that will put a video and it will be them showing off a really cute dress. And they’re like, why did this not get any views? You know, this did so well on Instagram stories. I’m like, cause people don’t care.
[00:17:22] Like they want something that benefits them when they come to your page, they don’t want to come and pump your ego basically. So when you can make content that serves other people, then you’re going to be good to go because your content is going to be discoverable.
[00:17:36] Kris Ward: [00:17:36] So in a little bit of a way, and I could be getting all this wrong, but in kind of a way, a little bit like to where, when you’re searching for information.
[00:17:44] Victoria Jameson: [00:17:44] Yes. Absolutely. So it’s shifting to that. I think there are so many facets of TIkTok because there are so many users. I mean, sometimes people will make a joke and say like, Oh, I’m on blank. Tick talk today. So I got, yeah, the video for some reason, I have like a bunch of doulas that come up on my, for you page and talk about like birth and stuff.
[00:18:02] I don’t know, but I’m always like, Oh, I’m on like, Childbirth tech today for some reason. And that’s just what the, for you page is showing you. So there are so many different areas of TikTok. That’s the cool thing is it can be really catered to you on the, for you page. So once people kind of fall into this area, so I said, I get a lot of like ADHD, productivity type coaching, like coaches on my 40 feet.
[00:18:27] Tick tock knows. Hey, this girl is watching these videos. Let’s show her more. So when a brand new coach maybe comes on tech talk and starts producing content, chances are, I’m probably going to see them on my 40 page and I’m probably going to watch it cause I liked it
[00:18:39] Kris Ward: [00:18:39] already. Okay. All right. So I almost have to stop talking to you and go play with tick tock.
[00:18:44] Okay. So
[00:18:45] Victoria Jameson: [00:18:45] it’s fun. It’s addicting.
[00:18:48] Kris Ward: [00:18:48] Well, I did look at it once and I just got overwhelmed with it. The sophistication. I mean, I thought it was impressive. I thought it was entertaining and stuff, but I just got lost and said, Oh my gosh, I can’t, I do not have the time nor the, the abilities to produce these high value production comedies.
[00:19:02] Right. Or sing. There’s no singing. There’s not enough alcohol in the world for me to think that I can sing. So yeah. Alright. So then what I’m going to do is I’m just going to go on tick talk. I don’t get overwhelm and I just start producing pieces of content and see what’s happening there and what people are gravitating towards.
[00:19:19] Keep it short, keep it informative. It’s not, not a place to put up like you would on Instagram or Facebook. Like here’s a screen capture of somebody saying how much they loved working with me or anything like that. Yeah. It’s not the show and tell thing it’s it’s education and yeah. And inclusion and bringing them in.
[00:19:36] Is that the difference?
[00:19:37] Victoria Jameson: [00:19:37] Yeah. And with Instagram, I think right now people are a little bit tired of seeing just like the perfect influencer lifestyle. And even when I see other coaches on Instagram, you know, their feed is super curated, it looks super produced. I know that it took hours and hours and hours of work to make it look super pretty.
[00:19:55] But with tick tock, it can literally just be like, Hey guys, I just had this. I thought in my car, and I’m going to tell you like five reasons that you should be doing X, Y, and Z. So it doesn’t have to be this huge production. It can be. And it does look like that for some influencers, which is why I started my podcast, because I wanted to show people like, Hey, you can be, you know, a personality based content creator and make comedy content.
[00:20:20] You can make amazing stuff. You can do food content, you can do anything. And there’s a way to do it.
[00:20:26] Kris Ward: [00:20:26] Okay. All right. So that I like to, cause I get lost. You go back and forth, like, you know, on Facebook, you’ll see something where it’s all this, I don’t care how much money I ever make. I am not putting up. Oh, I did this 230,000 this month.
[00:20:38] I’m not doing that. It’s not a good fit for me. And then you go to the other side where I may be since I don’t know you that well, don’t need to know about the most damaging child could you ever had. And so there’s like, Oh, how do I find me in the middle? But if we just don’t overthink it and we just share the content, that little sound bites and just try it on tick talk and it doesn’t have to be overproduced.
[00:20:59] It might be somewhere that it’s a better fit for people like us entrepreneurs, because then it’s just like delivering the goods without getting in this crazy Headspace.
[00:21:08] Victoria Jameson: [00:21:08] Yeah. And I think what you were mentioning about those posts that are like, Oh, I had my first six K month or whatever, you know, a lot of people are six K six figure, you know what I mean?
[00:21:16] That kind of like marketer mentality. It, there are times when that works and there are times when it works for me to just go, Hey guys, please subscribe to my YouTube. I’m almost to this many followers, but it works in small chunks. I would say like when that’s your only content you’re putting out, obviously, right.
[00:21:33] People aren’t going to follow you from that. Cause they’re not getting any value. Right. Um, so once you kind of have that platform built and you’re having that audience, that’s really engaged and is like there for you, then you can start to trickle in a little bit more of what you would typically do to market on other platforms. But in an organic and authentic way. Absolutely. All the time.
[00:21:52] Kris Ward: [00:21:52] Gotcha. Well, this has been hugely insightful to us. I’m so glad you, uh, wormed your way into my life. Cause I was like, well, we talked. Yeah, that was like, I don’t know. Tick talk. She’s like stop now. Listen to me. Yeah. Trust me with her words. Trust me.
[00:22:06] Okay. I have to tell you. Yeah, I have a niece there when she was three. That was one of the things she used to say. You’d be arguing with her and she say. Trust me. And then it just ruined it for everybody else because I’m like realizing at three, how much trust did I have in you? So it devalued the word when I hear trust me now.
[00:22:21] Okay. Victoria, tell me where people can find you. Where can we learn more about your fascinating information about tick talking about?
[00:22:29] Victoria Jameson: [00:22:29] So I run a podcast called TikTok radio. I realized I probably should have made that easier to say so it’s tick talk, but instead of talk, it’s talk like you’re talking.
[00:22:40] Okay. Um, and that’s available on Spotify, iTunes, anywhere that you listen to cast. And then I have my tea talk page. If you guys want to see what kind of content I’m creating, it’s just at Victoria, just my first name. Um, and then you can check me out on Instagram. I’m at Victoria Jamieson Jamieson, like the whiskey.
[00:22:57] Kris Ward: [00:22:57] Okay, well, I will definitely be checking you out on tick talk for sure. Absolutely. Are in Victoria. Thank you so much for turning us in from doubters to believers. We appreciate you and your energy, and it was very valuable information. So keep your eye out for me. We’re gonna see what damage I can do it
[00:23:14] Victoria Jameson: [00:23:14] for you.
[00:23:15] Kris Ward: [00:23:15] Yeah. Watch my baby steps as I fumble and fall on tick
[00:23:18] Victoria Jameson: [00:23:18] talk. So, okay.
[00:23:19] Kris Ward: [00:23:19] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing you always have to remember, and someone pointed that out to me as well as we get such amazing guesses. When you think you do this whore, I did a horrible thing on whatever YouTube you realize. Don’t worry about it.
[00:23:32] You don’t have an audience yet.
[00:23:33] Victoria Jameson: [00:23:33] So make mistakes. Yes,
[00:23:36] Kris Ward: [00:23:36] absolutely. Thank you again, Victoria. We appreciate you and see you guys on the next episode.